Kikuchi:
Substance stands outside of idea,
It exists itself without depending on any idea.



Kumada:
What he's trying to say??


Kikuchi:
This means that a man starts thinking after he acknowledged something exists.
That's why ancient people thought of thunder, which is substance that exists, and thought that thunder was the consequence of gods' anger: You see existence comes before thought.



Kikuchi:
Gods didn't created men, it is people who created gods. There are no gods in this world.
Since there are no gods, no one save you in the way you expect.




Kumada:
There are no gods? How sarcastic. I am trying to cheer him up, but he wouldn't even notice.
I'm getting upset since he opposes everything I said...
Well, I should give up in this time. I may need him for borrowing money some time again.





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